TELO E-Truck: Revolutionizing Urban EVs
Meet Forrest North, TELO's CTO, and Jason Marks, the CEO, the inventive minds revolutionizing the electric pickup landscape. Their company, TELO, is all about defying the norm, especially when it comes to size.
They're introducing the MT1, a compact electric pickup that challenges the enormity of traditional trucks. The MT1 has a game-changing design, skipping the engine bay for a compact cab-over structure. Incredibly, it fits a four-door cabin and a five-foot truck bed into a Mini hardtop's length, making even the Ford Maverick look oversized.
What's fascinating is that this compact wonder seats five comfortably. But that's not all—TELO offers an add-on that expands the seating capacity to eight. It's a whole new level of thinking when it comes to electric pickups.
In this podcast episode, we're about to uncover the exciting story behind this innovation with Forrest and Jason.
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👤 INTERVIEW WITH FORREST & JASON
Dunja Jovanovic: What inspired its creation and the market opportunities that led to the formation of your brand?
Jason Marks: The inception of our venture was rooted in a challenge: commuting in densely populated urban spaces. Living in downtown San Francisco with my large dog, I faced issues taking him in my sedan or SUV due to the sand he accumulated. A truck with a covered bed allowed me to head to the beach without worry. This was a game-changer for me, allowing me to pursue outdoor activities without the stress of driving in the city. We began exploring solutions, initially delving into micro-mobility projects with scooters and motorcycles. After a survey in San Francisco, nearly 89% highlighted the need for a small truck in a city setting, and that's when we pivoted in that direction.
DJ: I'm somewhat surprised by this preference, considering the general liking for larger trucks among Americans.
Forrest North: Indeed, the trend has been toward larger trucks. My personal interest in moving away from fossil fuels pushed me towards electric vehicles (EVs) early on. With trucks growing in size, it felt contrary to the environmental goals. A small, highly versatile truck seemed a fitting solution for both urban and outdoor settings. Its adaptability and capacity to maneuver in both settings made it more practical.
DJ: Where does your truck stand in the EV truck market?
JM: The evolution of truck development, particularly stemming from the fuel crisis of the '70s, prompted a shift towards larger vehicles. However, with the advent of Electric Vehicles (EVs), there's been a replication of this trend towards larger truck designs, neglecting the market niche for smaller, high-performance trucks. Our primary focus has been to bridge this gap by creating a vehicle that not only offers both range and performance but does so within a compact frame.
Automakers endeavored to comply with fuel economy standards by increasing the size of vehicles, consequently dominating the market with predominantly larger trucks. This pattern continued even with electric trucks, which largely concentrated on larger models. Our goal is to cater to the unaddressed demand for smaller, high-performance trucks, specifically meeting the needs of businesses requiring compact yet highly capable vehicles for tasks in urban settings.
DJ: How do you balance functionality and affordability without sacrificing quality in your truck's design?
FN: The key advantage lies in our truck's design, focusing on a smaller battery pack while maintaining a range of 350 miles. By using a 106-kilowatt-hour pack instead of larger ones (e.g., 200-kilowatt-hour), we reduce raw materials in the battery significantly, resulting in a lighter vehicle. Additionally, we emphasize function over luxury, ensuring affordability without compromising quality.
DJ: Who is your ideal customer? Are they urban dwellers or those inclined towards outdoor activities?
JM: Our market splits into around 60% commercial and 40% consumer base. While we aim to cater to those working in construction, plumbing, and other downtown areas, our consumer market is largely individuals living in metropolitan regions, and involved in outdoor activities like mountain biking and surfing.
DJ: Could you discuss the design principles behind your truck?
FN: Our design philosophy, led by Yves Béhar, revolves around a modern and clean aesthetic. We steer away from the prevalent trend of sharp, angular designs, focusing on simplicity and functionality. Yves's design vision goes beyond the present, aiming to appeal to the future market, ensuring a timeless appeal.
DJ: Who do you see as your main competitors, and how do you plan to differentiate your brand in the market?
JM: Our truck’s unique selling points, including its crew cab structure, and Tesla-like range in a compact footprint, position it uniquely in the market. While some may compare it to other vehicles, our strategy emphasizes the exceptional combination of utility, high performance, and small size, setting us apart from existing alternatives.
DJ: How do you plan to make the product accessible in the USA?
FN: Our main focus is establishing a reasonable price point for the performance our vehicle offers. We conducted thorough market research to determine a competitive price. We're targeting urban areas to generate excitement among those who most benefit from our product.
DJ: And where do you see challenges?
JM: In the EV market, there's a trend towards price competition. Companies are trying to differentiate their EV models but struggle due to similarities. Charging standardization, leveraging software for testing, and more accessible manufacturing are vital trends.
Tesla's network sets a high standard in charging infrastructure, a crucial aspect of widespread EV adoption. Many new EV companies faced challenges and failed to deliver due to aiming for increased sales volume without testing the market viability or a realistic approach to profitability.
FN: We face challenges in communicating our groundbreaking innovations, particularly in safety and battery technology, and debunking preconceived notions. In 10 years, vehicles with long hoods will seem outdated. Our challenge is to shift perceptions about vehicle design, safety, and environmental impact.
JM: Launching an innovative vehicle remains a significant challenge in the automotive industry, requiring capital, public support, and effective communication to emphasize safety features, and practicality.
📝 EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
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the description of this episode so what are we
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focusing on today we are redefining electri trucks
with Forest North and Jason Marx the CTO and
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CEO of t t is a company that's breaking the mold
introducing a compact electric pickup challenging
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traditional truck sizes it's a game changer
it's fitting a four-door cabin and 5ft truck
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bed into a mini hardtops length shaking up the
standard so join us as we talk about the secrets
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Behind These groundbreaking Innovations and get
ready to get a whole new perspective on electric
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[Music]
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pickups hi Jason Hi Forest it's really lovely
having you here on the green New Perspective
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podcast so let's talk about T's Brand Story
what motivated the Inception of T and what
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Market opportunities did you identify that led
to its creation it all kind of started from us
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having a a big problem around commuting in dense
urban area is I live in downtown San Francisco I
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have a 150 pound dog that I take to the beach
every weekend and there's no way he's going in
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the back of my sedan or or even my SUV because he
gets disgustingly Sandy so having a truck is kind
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of a requirement for me um having a truck I can
throw them him in the back with a with a cover
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on the top and I can go snowboarding or mountain
biking it was just a such a useful thing for me
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as a consumer that lives in a downtown area but
I couldn't ever really navigate the city it was
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stressful to drive downtown it was stressful
to find parking and it was just impossible to
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actually use my vehicle for actually enjoying the
city I live in so there there was this exists this
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big fundamental problem with commuting in downtown
areas and you know we set out to try to find the
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way to solve it um this wasn't our first kind of
guess at it we started by actually thinking about
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the small like micro mobility and two wheel
transport between scooters and motorcycles
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and worked on those projects uh for while it's
actually where we got to know each other pretty
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well we were for us was working on a scooter
project I was working on a motorcycle project
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we ended up working on the motorcycle project
together uh for many years and then we realized
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that you know that wasn't a good Marketplace a
good way to actually change the game and change
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the way that we actually commute and there existed
this huge problem around trucks in cities that was
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fundamentally causing the the pain that I was
feeling so when we actually went out and did
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a market survey of around 200 people in LA and
San Francisco around different types of modes of
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transportation we gave them opportunities to look
at like small cars lowspeed Vehicles Vans sedans
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hatchbacks motorcycles everything we offered an
opportunity to look at a small truck and almost
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everybody 89% of the people we surveyed said
the most useful thing that they could have in a
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downtown area would be a small truck and so we've
decided that that was the best way to Pivot our
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our Direction I have to say yeah I have to say I'm
surprised because there's like a perception that
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Americans like big trucks yes there definitely
is and and we'll get into that um I would my
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um interest has always been in uh getting off of
fossil fuels since I was a kid so I built a radio
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controlled Electric solar car when I was in high
school then I did that when I was at Stanford did
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the Stanford solar car project that turned into
Tesla that turned into my first motorcycle startup
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so I've been working in EVS uh my whole life and
trucks since 2010 have just been getting bigger
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and bigger um and it really felt like we were
going the wrong direction uh to Electrify these
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enormous trucks um and that that so it was really
struck a chord with me when we made this uh switch
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um I I also have been a truck owner of large
trucks and small trucks um and so really like
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the idea of a a of a high capacity High utility
small truck that you can maneuver not just in the
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city but also I grew up in the country and there's
a lot of small roads getting in between trees like
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big trucks are actually not that useful in a lot
of outdoor situations so can you tell me um where
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do you see the T stands in the EV truck Market
the EV truck Mark the truck Market in general is
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a really interesting and really bizarre story um
so I'll actually take you all the way back to the
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the 1970s where the en the we had a gas crisis
in the US and so the Environmental Protection
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Agency created a series of laws that they gave to
automakers that said hey you need to you need to
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save fuel you need to have more fuel economic cars
but they only applied it to Passenger cars and
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they Exempted trucks so since the 1970s a lot of
automakers started moving their vehicles to trucks
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SUVs Crossovers and calling them trucks so they
could get kind of Skirt the epa's Rules around um
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fuel economy and the EPA wisened up in the 20 in
2010 and said hey we're not going to let you guys
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just call everything trucks and get away with this
anymore we're going to give you rules for trucks
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we're going to give you fuel economy standards
so that means how many miles you can drive per
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gallon of fuel you consume going to give you these
standards but what they did is they based it on
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the the size of the vehicle they based on the the
length and width the footprint of the vehicle and
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they they did as they said the bigger you build
your car the bigger you build your truck sorry
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the worse fuel economy you're allowed to have so
what that means is that they tried to say hey if
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we're building a semi truck then you can then then
that's then you can have really bad fuel economy
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because you're doing a big job maybe it requires
a lot of fuel but if you're building a small truck
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you have to be more fuel efficient but in reality
what the automakers were able to do is say hey I'm
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not able to actually build my vehicle this fuel
efficient so I'm just going to build it slightly
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bigger because that makes it easier to hit these
requirements so every year the the automakers
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started looking at the projections of what those
fuel economy standards were and they made their
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cars bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and
bigger so now every single truck that's made by
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the US automotive industry and many in Japan and
other places all reside at the biggest point they
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can be at where that line for fuel economy
flattens out they all sit there so left so to
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your question it left this massive Market of small
trucks untouched because all the automakers were
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forced to move larger now what really interesting
in terms of the electric pickup truck Market is
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that electric pickup truck makers started building
their trucks as an electric version of those big
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trucks the automakers are making so they were
not beholden to the fuel economy standards that
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the other automakers were beholden to but they
chose to go compete against them in the same
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size and footprint of truck so they now exist on
that far edge of the size they're the big trucks
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even electric they're big and left this huge gap
in the market that they could have filled because
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they're electric but they didn't and that's where
we live we live in that small Ultra compact but
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High Performance Truck space and one of the uh
interesting things after we launched in June is
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and I think that speaks to this Market is that we
launched to Consumers to show there was demand we
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we were really surprised by the response we got
it was great but another surprise was that in the
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week after we launched Fleet companies called us
because there they said they couldn't buy trucks
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now that were small enough to do the things they
need to do so it's like there's this kind of weird
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you know culture of like these big work trucks
are for work but they're really not they're kind
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of just big puffy trucks that don't do much more
than a much smaller truck did in the past um and
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so companies that actually do work are looking for
vehicles that fit yeah and without using the names
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of the companies just the examples they gave us
were pretty astounding like people that have to
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go downtown and pick up a garbage bin out of an
underground parking lot in a condo and bring it to
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the city it requires a truck that can lift a 2,000
pound garbage bin but if it's too big you actually
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can't make the turns in the underground parking
lot so you're out of luck it's too big to do so
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you need both a small compact vehicle and also one
that's got high capability to lift you've also got
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vehicles that are clearing trees in downtown
areas they are cleaning up the roadways they
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need to be able to go on the highway to navigate
the city so a small golf cart like vehicle won't
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do it but they need to be small enough to fit in
the Alleyways that they're driving through and
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there's just so many examples of like the if you
have a smaller truck with the same capabilities as
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a fullsize truck you can do your job better like
uh one one person that really resonates with me
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as I was speaking to a contractor that works
in downtown San Francisco and he was telling
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me that he has to go park a mile away from his job
site every day and he has to walk his 50 pound bag
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of tools to the job site a mile when he goes out
to lunch he has to leave his tools there because
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he can't bring them back to his car and lock them
up when he comes back from lunch people will take
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his tools they'll be gone so he's so he's spending
an extra hour of his time just walking to and from
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his car and he's losing his tools every single
time he does it so he's just in this really
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stressful situation that if he could just park
next to his job site he would be fine but um one
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thing I really want to point out is that because
I know this is a very much a sustainability
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conversation like even these problems are problems
that exist for the consumer and for the fleet
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vehicles but that has so many Downstream climate
negative effects right so one of the big things is
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if you Electrify just that big truck the big truck
that exists you're effectively just adding two to
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three ,000 pounds of batteries to a big truck and
that has so many negative consequences because it
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adds to Rolling resistance it adds to because
the batteries are tall it actually requires you
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to take up more space in the car so now it adds
to wind resistance and and it's so much energy
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now required to move that vehicle so in order to
get a 350 mile range vehicle you have to have a
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200 kilowatt hour battery pack in a vehicle that
weighs 8,000 pounds so you're tearing up roadways
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you're extremely dangerous for uh pedestrians if
they get hit they're done for um you have issues
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with uh Tire particulates because these vehicles
are so so big going into roadways and then the
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crazy thing is that if you look if on average you
know the the grid isn't completely clean right now
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so if you look at on average the carbon emissions
burned per mile driven of a big electric truck is
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about the same as the carbon emissions of a small
gas vehicle so there's not much of a difference
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there and um what is amazing about your truck is
also the price uh because well we're used to like
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you said big EVS like let's say rivan r1t which
is 70k plus so how did you manage to keep the the
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the low price yeah I mean part of the beauty of
creating a high performance but compact vehicle
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is that it requires less a little fewer material
and a little less powerful of current draws and
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motors to actually get the same performance you
would get with another bigger vehicle so we have
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a smaller battery pack and that smaller battery
pack still gives us 350 miles of range it's still
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106 kilowatt hours but it's not 200 kilowatt hours
which means that we have almost half the amount of
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raw materials in the battery alone and that means
that the vehicle's lighter when the vehicle's
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lighter you need less things to less structural
material in the vehicle to carry just as much
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our vehicle shell itself is a smaller footprint
less aluminum material on the exterior of the
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vehicle all these things add up without actually
compromising the experience of the driver and
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we're also you know not going for a lot of luxury
items uh you know we're going for fit for per fit
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for purpose which is where our name comes from um
we really want a a vehicle that can do a lot um
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but can still be accessible to a lot of people but
can we talk about your ideal Customer because um
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you mentioned that you wanted to be a utility car
but you also would like people to use it for like
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like you like you mentioned to go to the beach to
go to the forest to go hiking biking whatever so
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what would be actually what would actually be your
perfect customer your well target audience yeah
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about 60% of the market is commercial and 40% is
consumer so it's about that split but we're we're
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not going uh you know we're in past experience
it's hard to go directly to fleets without having
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a consumer product and you see this in in vehicles
as well so uh consumers um help build the buzz
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they help build the brand and they help uh Fleet
companies believe you're you're going to exist
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right because you're out there Fleet companies
have a longer sales cycle um and they uh you know
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it can be a little bit hard sometimes to launch
a startup directly towards fleets yeah and so for
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our ideal C consumers for ideal Fleet customers
we're talking about people that currently drive
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pickup trucks and vans in downtown areas people
that are working in construction areas and
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plumbing and electricians everything that does
work in downtown cities in La San Francisco
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Seattle you you name it like like big downtown
metropolitan areas that have this challenge of
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being able to park their vehicle in a downtown
area uh for consumers um we find we actually
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have a pretty good good understanding of where our
pre-orders come from and who our demographics are
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um based on the conversations that we have in our
Discord Channel which is a highly active Discord
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Channel we have a good understanding of who our
consumers are and for the most part they do live
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in downtown areas there are plenty of exceptions
don't get me wrong any of you Discord listeners
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are users are listening to this one I know I I
recognize that not everybody is from downtown
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we have a lot of downtown uh livers that love
mountain biking they love surfing we have a ton of
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Surfers ever since Kelly Slater placed a pre-order
we've been just getting tons and tons of surfers
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coming our way uh we have a lot of mountain
bikers we have a lot of people that have small
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children so we have a lot of people ask about
being able to fit car seats in our vehicle um
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but really it's all like we have a lot of active
lifestyle Metropolitan people and do you so do you
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feel there's a shift there in the mindset uh from
buying big heavy you know we don't think from the
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consumer side we're going to get a lot of people
that currently drive an F350 to move over to our
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vehicle I don't think we're gonna get we're
gonna get that which is okay you know I think
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that you know the truth is in the not to distant
future about 70% of Americans are going to live
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in downtown metropolitan areas so it's the biggest
Market you know um and it's a good way to really
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in influence that market because we really want
to make the biggest dent in our carbon emissions
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it's going to be through the biggest market so
we think that people that are buying crossovers
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um like like uh vehicles that are capable of doing
some level of off-roading that are that are either
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considered crossovers or SUVs that's really our
Target demograph trffic I have to say when uh we
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were planning to do a podcast with Alo uh we had
a conversation in our in our agency and um I'm in
0:16:09.640,0:16:14.960
Europe and most of my colleagues are in Boston
and they were so skeptical like who is going to
0:16:14.960,0:16:19.320
drive a small truck and I was like it's perfect
for Europe it's perfect for Europe yeah we're
0:16:19.320,0:16:24.000
driving small cars we have small Street this
this is perfect perfect solution and you don't
0:16:24.000,0:16:30.480
have many options with smaller trucks actually
so like you said there uh usually made to be big
0:16:30.480,0:16:37.960
big horsepowers you know everything large um so
yeah I really like this idea I personally do we
0:16:37.960,0:16:42.760
have a lot of European interests actually um we
haven't announced our our European launch but
0:16:42.760,0:16:48.160
there really doesn't exist like a pickup truck for
Europe is what we found out um there's been some
0:16:48.160,0:16:52.360
like people that have that have hinted maybe they
would do that in the past but no one's actually
0:16:52.360,0:16:56.840
release that that pickup track so we're talking to
actually governments and municipalities in Europe
0:16:56.840,0:17:02.600
right now and trying to understand um does it make
sense for us to to maybe have a you know a branch
0:17:02.600,0:17:07.560
office over there and and work towards delivering
a vehicle for Europe um one other thing I wanted
0:17:07.560,0:17:12.520
to talk about with you is about design yeah
because you have a quite famous head of design
0:17:12.520,0:17:19.320
e so can you tell me about the design philosophy
and principles that guide you to develop T Tru as
0:17:19.320,0:17:24.480
it is and the brand the brand looks great yeah we
I mean really Eve would be the best to uh to talk
0:17:24.480,0:17:31.200
about that um he's got an amazing team uh and he's
really taken on you know all of the the design
0:17:31.200,0:17:38.680
side so the exterior the website The Branding um
all of that so one thing that did drive us towards
0:17:38.680,0:17:45.480
Eve is I've worked with Eve before um we launched
um a motorcycle product project back in 2009 at
0:17:45.480,0:17:53.720
Ted um and so I worked with him and I knew what
he could do and I um love his modern and simple
0:17:53.720,0:18:00.640
modern approach and that's really we wanted that
in the truck so you know we so that was he was
0:18:00.640,0:18:06.080
just the perfect fit for that um there's a bunch
of benefits like one there isn't a isn't really
0:18:06.080,0:18:14.400
kind of a a clean modern looking truck I believe
um that has that kind of modern aesthetic um so
0:18:14.400,0:18:21.120
you know we see a lot of like weird wrinkles and
um kind of like badging on the kind of trucks that
0:18:21.120,0:18:25.840
are out there now that I I personally don't think
fit in the kind of urban environment as well also
0:18:25.840,0:18:32.800
there's some interesting things around like a um
really clean lines and simple form U make tooling
0:18:32.800,0:18:38.880
and prototyping and things uh easier so it's
actually a good path to go for this truck so
0:18:38.880,0:18:42.840
it really fit in a bunch of different ways yeah
just just to reiterate what what force is saying
0:18:42.840,0:18:48.440
there in a different way like so there's been
a trend in automotive design right now to move
0:18:48.440,0:18:54.000
to a very sharp angular thing it's it's like
the current Trend in design of that real sharp
0:18:54.000,0:18:57.320
angular they call it tension where it's like it's
like you're pulling a sheet over something and it
0:18:57.320,0:19:02.600
creates tension and creat creates a crease and
that's the kind of current status of a lot of
0:19:02.600,0:19:06.920
vehicle design right now almost every vehicle you
see on the road has an abundance of these creases
0:19:06.920,0:19:11.280
in there um and while that may give you kind
of an aggressive look in some ways I can see
0:19:11.280,0:19:16.200
how you can make that argument it also actually
makes it more costly to build the vehicle because
0:19:16.200,0:19:22.520
every crease you have creates a really hard way to
actually Implement that in tooling so it requires
0:19:22.520,0:19:27.280
like a concave curve and has to peek and come out
that is actually a fairly expensive way to do it
0:19:27.280,0:19:32.920
so not only are we looking at a modern aesthetic a
More sculptural Design breaking away from a lot of
0:19:32.920,0:19:38.160
the automotive kind of trends of this aggressive
creas but we're also looking at ways in which we
0:19:38.160,0:19:43.520
can actually save costs in the actual tooling
of our vehicle where it makes it so we don't
0:19:43.520,0:19:49.760
have problems like large panel gaps because of
the ease of Tooling in the vehicle and one other
0:19:49.760,0:19:55.640
thing that I think evea is really excellent at is
um he he's looking at design he's spent you know
0:19:55.640,0:20:01.560
his whole life in design so when he's looking at
design it's in the future and that's exactly what
0:20:01.560,0:20:08.040
you need uh in a vehicle program because the the
the cycle is fairly long to like go from concept
0:20:08.040,0:20:13.680
to being out on the street so your design can't
be like what someone would love today it's got
0:20:13.680,0:20:18.520
to be what they're going to love three years
from now um and he's great at that and I've
0:20:18.520,0:20:22.520
you know experienced that in the past like his
design with the motorcycle it was polarizing
0:20:22.520,0:20:26.320
there were motorcyclists that hated it there were
motorcyclist that loved it I think when you look
0:20:26.320,0:20:32.200
back at it it's it looks beautiful um I still get
lots of uh compliments on it and so uh and I've
0:20:32.200,0:20:37.240
seen that with his other products as well so like
a great designer will really look is is living in
0:20:37.240,0:20:44.840
the future yeah that's true that's true I mean
he's quite quite famous for that so yeah yeah um
0:20:44.840,0:20:52.280
so where do you feel your main competitors in
the EV tru truck Market are and um and if you
0:20:52.280,0:20:57.480
feel like you have them because from from this
conversation now I feel like you're unique quite
0:20:57.480,0:21:05.040
unique yeah um how do you um think that you're
going to differentiate your brand yeah well I
0:21:05.040,0:21:08.520
fundamentally if you look at how we kind of tell
people about our vehicle the first thing we tell
0:21:08.520,0:21:17.080
them is it's a crew cab pickup truck with the
range of a Tesla in the footprint of a twodo Mini
0:21:17.080,0:21:22.360
Cooper and they go what a twood door Mini Cooper
that's crazy you know um but we think about it
0:21:22.360,0:21:27.520
there doesn't really exist a vehicle that kind
of fits all those capabilities it's only really
0:21:27.520,0:21:32.240
been possible by electrifying the power train by
using the stateoftheart and safety and materials
0:21:32.240,0:21:37.640
technology like it's only been possible now to
do this vehicle even so that's why it doesn't
0:21:37.640,0:21:42.160
really exist in the marketplace there are people
that are kind of moving in the taking baby steps
0:21:42.160,0:21:45.600
in the direction that we've taken and we feel
that there are you know people that are that
0:21:45.600,0:21:51.280
are you know dipping their toe in the water but
we're taking a full-on cannonball into the into
0:21:51.280,0:21:56.520
the water right so we we realize that you have to
swing big to make the biggest impact and for that
0:21:56.520,0:22:01.360
reason we don't think there's a a ton people that
are really competing with us directly we think
0:22:01.360,0:22:04.520
there's people that are look at our vehicle and
they would compare it against other vehicles in
0:22:04.520,0:22:10.360
the marketplace they would say well if I yeah
so if I want a a truck with the same utility
0:22:10.360,0:22:16.120
am I willing to trade off an extra six feet of
length like that doesn't sound like it's useful
0:22:16.120,0:22:22.560
to me um or if I want a vehicle in this footprint
am I willing to take a third the range of doing
0:22:22.560,0:22:26.080
that which is really the only other vehicles
that exist in this footprint have a third of
0:22:26.080,0:22:31.280
the range so so for that reason like we're really
trying to be a market leader in this space but we
0:22:31.280,0:22:36.600
do think our consumers and our Fleet customers
will be looking at other vehicles to solve the
0:22:36.600,0:22:42.360
same need and that's why we want to come out as
very clearly using our our size as an advantage
0:22:42.360,0:22:49.120
it's not like we're like a lowcost you know slow
lethargic vehicle we're we're 500 horsepower 060
0:22:49.120,0:22:54.680
in four seconds you know five seats of comfortably
a 4x8 sheet of plywood can fit in with the midgate
0:22:54.680,0:22:59.120
down like we've got all the things that you really
want the bells and whistles you want want in a
0:22:59.120,0:23:04.520
high utility truck and the fact that it's small is
a selling point it's like yes now it's small too I
0:23:04.520,0:23:09.400
can use it and we've had like you know I wouldn't
necessarily advertise this out too much but we've
0:23:09.400,0:23:14.680
had a lot of our consumer our like pre-order um
consumers just show up to our office sometimes and
0:23:14.680,0:23:19.000
we're like um uh okay let me show you around real
quick I don't I won't encourage people that listen
0:23:19.000,0:23:24.120
to this to go do that for us but they do show up
we do have usually a very good short conversation
0:23:24.120,0:23:27.360
with them they tell us here's why I love the
truck here's why I'm so interested in here's how
0:23:27.360,0:23:33.200
I'm going to use it and so we hear from them about
like the fact that it's small is the selling point
0:23:33.200,0:23:40.840
yeah you tell them join our Discord group exact
it's great to meet them can our listener join the
0:23:40.840,0:23:49.520
disc um so um since we're a marketing agency I
have to um ask you some of the marketing questions
0:23:49.520,0:23:57.440
so um can you tell me um what strategy did you use
to promote the product and what channels um have
0:23:57.440,0:24:02.680
been most effective yeah in reaching those
customers that we mentioned Eve has so much
0:24:02.680,0:24:07.400
influence and sway in the space and around the
minds and hearts of people so his just presence
0:24:07.400,0:24:13.360
and his involvement and his his General excitement
about what we're doing has been a huge marketing
0:24:13.360,0:24:18.840
push for us because he has social reach he has
you know regular PR reach you know he has that
0:24:18.840,0:24:27.160
reach in general I will say that we launched our
vehicle uh in June relatively like um you know
0:24:27.160,0:24:32.760
leanly would say I wouldn't say cheaply I would
just leanly uh we had a great PR agency in darus
0:24:32.760,0:24:40.680
who you who you've met and but we really between
Eve's team and darus like we did not necessarily
0:24:40.680,0:24:45.240
swing for the walls when it came to a marketing
push but we're just so much organic interest like
0:24:45.240,0:24:51.000
if you look at our Google analytics a lot of what
people came about were organic interest or clicks
0:24:51.000,0:24:55.960
from news articles that came out and then grow
then growth from there so it's actually really
0:24:55.960,0:25:00.840
interesting to look at like if you get super
excited about a product you want to tell all
0:25:00.840,0:25:04.640
your friends so it's so funny if you look at
like our pre-order list you'll see like one
0:25:04.640,0:25:09.440
person purchase from some obscure you know town
in Rhode Island and then like 10 other people
0:25:09.440,0:25:13.000
purchase from that same town in Rhode Island
so you can see the trend of like somebody just
0:25:13.000,0:25:16.800
being like I'm so excited about that boom boom
boom boom boom boom all my friends now know it
0:25:16.800,0:25:23.600
too and that starts with us being excited about
it right so we're making a product that we want
0:25:23.600,0:25:30.720
like we we are waiting for this product we're
making it um our cons our customers have that
0:25:30.720,0:25:36.040
same kind of passion yeah all in all our customer
acquisition cost is relatively low like extremely
0:25:36.040,0:25:40.920
low less than a tenth that of another automotive
company and that's simply because there's just so
0:25:40.920,0:25:45.440
much excitement and it's so organic what people do
here because it doesn't exist in the market it's
0:25:45.440,0:25:50.200
not just another truck that I have to go compare
I don't have to create an Excel sheet with all
0:25:50.200,0:25:55.080
of the different trucks lined up and compare the
specifications it's very clear what we're doing
0:25:55.080,0:26:00.800
and it's very different and how do you plan to
make it accessible to customers in the USA yeah
0:26:00.800,0:26:05.840
well first it comes from you know getting a price
point that's that's reasonable for the performance
0:26:05.840,0:26:09.600
you get in our vehicle I think that's really
important so we did a lot of market research on
0:26:09.600,0:26:13.920
that price point and what that price point would
be for a vehicle like we're trying to deliver and
0:26:13.920,0:26:20.200
I think that we nailed that price point it's not
a slow Light low speed vehicle it is a performance
0:26:20.200,0:26:25.280
vehicle but still at an accessible price point and
so you get all the value you would get in a big
0:26:25.280,0:26:30.320
electric truck or in a big truck at the same cost
Point as kind of the market leaders in the regular
0:26:30.320,0:26:36.760
truck space so that was really important to us as
well as you know really targeting the demographic
0:26:36.760,0:26:41.240
of people that we think would benefit the most
from our vehicle you know showing our vehicle in
0:26:41.240,0:26:45.240
dense urban areas getting people excited like
oh that looks just like my neighborhood I can
0:26:45.240,0:26:49.680
Envision my vehicle being parked in that same
location in my neighborhood that's the kind of
0:26:49.680,0:26:55.360
area that we really want people to get get excited
about and um when we talk about EV Trends eveve
0:26:55.360,0:27:02.160
truck markets in well we mentioned here Europe and
and uh America so so let's talk about well Europe
0:27:02.160,0:27:08.400
and America what trends have you observed and how
does tell line with these Trends yeah I mean um
0:27:08.400,0:27:12.880
there's a couple of trends that we're seeing in in
in the world of EV so I'll start at the the very
0:27:12.880,0:27:20.480
high level piece price piece one we see a lot
of people that are really hyperfocused on price
0:27:20.480,0:27:25.120
so we see a lot of people that are talking about
a price War to happen between a lot of different
0:27:25.120,0:27:30.800
companies we see a lot of excitement around theow
cost version of EVS coming out of other areas of
0:27:30.800,0:27:35.000
the world so there is a lot of people that are
talking about that and I think the reason they're
0:27:35.000,0:27:41.400
talking about that is because they've commoditized
a lot of the EV space now it's like what's really
0:27:41.400,0:27:46.040
the difference between this EV sedan and this EV
sedan or this EV crossover and this EV crossover
0:27:46.040,0:27:50.000
you know like you get like um that same problem
where you have to create the Excel sheet and
0:27:50.000,0:27:54.280
compare all the specs individually because there
aren't people that are super excited around as
0:27:54.280,0:28:00.680
something that was different and uniquely solving
their problem did you want to yeah I'm uh yeah I
0:28:00.680,0:28:05.080
me think there's several other trends that we
could talk about I think you know one trend
0:28:05.080,0:28:13.160
is on charging so um uh it's been a great Trend
to see other automakers shift over to the Tesla
0:28:13.160,0:28:18.720
standard which is the nacs I mean it um my last
company uh before the scooter company actually
0:28:18.720,0:28:23.560
so two companies ago was plugshare it's an app
for finding electric vehicle charging stations
0:28:23.560,0:28:28.240
and through that we got all the data from all
the you know basically the charging world and I
0:28:28.240,0:28:34.720
can tell you that Tesla is the only Network that's
essentially um fulfilling I would say the needs of
0:28:34.720,0:28:39.920
people to have a reliable Network there's nothing
else out there that you can rely on from a whole
0:28:39.920,0:28:47.440
network standpoint like like um and so that's
just critical for for Eves to take hold with more
0:28:47.440,0:28:51.960
than the early adopters and and I do want to talk
about so that's a great Trend and so we are going
0:28:51.960,0:28:59.280
to be native uh for that uh standard um uh which
other companies will be as well but I think that's
0:28:59.280,0:29:04.520
a great trend for the for the uh for the whole
Market the the trend that I I want to talk about
0:29:04.520,0:29:09.760
though is is something that's actually probably
um kind of worked in our as a disadvantage for a
0:29:09.760,0:29:15.040
while and now is kind of like an advantage like we
saw a bunch of EV companies Spring up in the last
0:29:15.040,0:29:22.320
20 years right we saw a ton of different companies
some of which have me met astronomical success
0:29:22.320,0:29:26.360
like Tesla some of which have not right and some
of which have have failed and they've been in
0:29:26.360,0:29:32.720
the news a lot lately um and we we see that like a
lot of people got super excited around the success
0:29:32.720,0:29:37.200
that came from Tesla and tried to replicate it but
they made a lot of mistakes along the way and the
0:29:37.200,0:29:43.800
biggest mistake they made was trying to get to
high volume High profit like high volume sales
0:29:43.800,0:29:48.600
to get to profitability so 100,000 plus units
per year and making decisions as if they could
0:29:48.600,0:29:55.000
do that as if that money were free so spending a
billion dollars trying to become a major automaker
0:29:55.000,0:30:00.120
without actually even delivering Vehicles going
through crash safety testing the market to see if
0:30:00.120,0:30:06.320
it's even there so all that happened and and and
companies just they failed to deliver on a lot
0:30:06.320,0:30:11.480
of different areas and it's it's led to like this
downward Trend in people's minds of like oh Eevee
0:30:11.480,0:30:15.400
startup that's really hard to do it's never going
to come to Market but the reality is like the the
0:30:15.400,0:30:19.120
things that have happened over the last 20 years
have kind of crafted what's been possible in the
0:30:19.120,0:30:24.560
last two years so one thing that happened over the
last 20 years is companies had to build their own
0:30:24.560,0:30:28.880
drivetrain components they had to build Motors
and inverter and BMS and they had to build all
0:30:28.880,0:30:33.640
these different like expensive components of the
vehicle and now it's gotten to a point where the
0:30:33.640,0:30:38.080
tier one suppliers to automakers have figured it
out they've commoditized a lot of those components
0:30:38.080,0:30:42.920
and we can now buy them off the shelf for for
inexpensively per unit cost which is crazy to me
0:30:42.920,0:30:48.160
because that's a a part of of a company that had
to spend a hundred million doar to develop this
0:30:48.160,0:30:52.680
product and now I can go buy it for a thousand
dollar um off the shelf so that's a big trend
0:30:52.680,0:30:57.560
on top of that there's been probably two other
things that are really unique one is that we're
0:30:57.560,0:31:04.000
seeing a big uh growth of contract Manufacturing
in vehicles across the world but particularly in
0:31:04.000,0:31:09.160
the US we're now wising up and realizing that we
have to actually compete in that space um not just
0:31:09.160,0:31:12.760
like the big names of contract Manufacturing
in the world but even smaller shops that can
0:31:12.760,0:31:18.040
build vehicles at 100 to 5,000 units per year
and they can do so profitably and share that
0:31:18.040,0:31:22.760
amongst a bunch of other companies so there exist
their exist companies in California Detroit and
0:31:22.760,0:31:30.120
actually all over the the the US that can actually
build 5,000 vehicles per year for an automaker by
0:31:30.120,0:31:34.320
by amortizing their their cost of their tools
and everything over time and all the things
0:31:34.320,0:31:37.920
associated with that which is like really unique
because that's typically been the valy of death of
0:31:37.920,0:31:44.240
startups is to go between 100 press vehicles and
get to profitability like if you can do that early
0:31:44.240,0:31:49.200
at 5,000 Vehicles that's amazing then you can
scale and get to profitability at 50,000 Vehicles
0:31:49.200,0:31:54.880
if you've done that and the last big thing is
really how software plays the role in a in vehicle
0:31:54.880,0:32:01.640
development and vehicle testing so I worked in as
an automotive supplier for vehicles I did a lot
0:32:01.640,0:32:07.240
of uh Safety Systems auton autonomous driving
driver assistance features over the last uh uh
0:32:07.240,0:32:12.120
10 12 years in fact I worked on some of the very
first radar and lar chipsets that went into Adas
0:32:12.120,0:32:18.680
and autonomy um there's been a big shift in like
having to build hundreds of prototypes having to
0:32:18.680,0:32:24.200
build breadboards of vehicles doing all the design
manually to how we use software to develop and
0:32:24.200,0:32:29.480
test Vehicles now so there's a big Trend in the
automotive industry called 100% virtual validation
0:32:29.480,0:32:34.080
which is really a process of saying that I can
develop my vehicle entirely in software and I
0:32:34.080,0:32:39.160
can test it entirely in software so that by the
time I build a prototype vehicle all I'm doing is
0:32:39.160,0:32:44.000
checking that my software tests were correct which
means that I don't have to build tens or hundreds
0:32:44.000,0:32:50.080
of vehicles I can build five I mean koneg is kind
of famous for this they built they crashed one
0:32:50.080,0:32:58.880
vehicle to get European and US regulatory crash
safety just one that's amazing like everything
0:32:58.880,0:33:08.080
else is done yeah it speeds up the process so
much um I wanted to ask you do you feel like
0:33:08.080,0:33:14.360
there's challenges when you're communicating these
Innovations towards the market you're practically
0:33:14.360,0:33:20.080
um launching some Innovative Technologies some
unique opportunities for drivers in the USA so do
0:33:20.080,0:33:26.160
you feel like uh there are challenges there when
you're trying to present them to the mass Market
0:33:26.160,0:33:30.600
yeah I think that um there's a lot of preconceived
notions around how the automotive Market works you
0:33:30.600,0:33:35.000
know the reason that we're able to do all this is
because we have major Innovations in safety and
0:33:35.000,0:33:40.600
Battery Technology that's the two core elements
of our of our technological innovations and a
0:33:40.600,0:33:45.560
lot of people get excited about those and go
well isn't that your core business like your
0:33:45.560,0:33:51.240
these two innovations and we say well these two
innovations don't exist alone like you need if
0:33:51.240,0:33:55.080
you add these two innovations together you can
create a completely different Market of vehicles
0:33:55.080,0:33:58.720
and then you've got the ability to actually
make the biggest dent in climate change like
0:33:58.720,0:34:03.520
we're talking about you know just because we made
the most volumetrically space efficient battery
0:34:03.520,0:34:10.520
pack if if a if a vehicle is 10,000 pounds and 30
feet long it's not going to matter to them but the
0:34:10.520,0:34:16.640
minute you try to say let me create a performance
vehicle that's less than 13 feet long now they're
0:34:16.640,0:34:20.600
like okay well how do you possibly do that well
that's where the Battery Technology really stands
0:34:20.600,0:34:26.240
out it's things like that so that's the first big
uh notion we get is like okay we it's kind of why
0:34:26.240,0:34:30.640
we built this buck and launched it actually was
because people just didn't believe it yeah yeah
0:34:30.640,0:34:36.640
that's true yeah yeah yeah when I was doing like a
little research I saw like the Articles mentioning
0:34:36.640,0:34:42.200
it it sounds too good to be true yeah and they
still don't we have a one of our Engineers has a
0:34:42.200,0:34:46.920
Miata and it's longer than our vehicle and it's
often out in the parking lot and we'll talk to
0:34:46.920,0:34:50.920
investors and and people about it and they're like
no no no no and we'll actually have to measure it
0:34:50.920,0:34:55.240
go out and the parking lot measure it and they're
like oh my gosh yeah oh they we have a seating
0:34:55.240,0:35:00.440
buck that you might have seen in like the motor
trying article the Motor Trend editor was 610
0:35:00.440,0:35:05.200
and we had another we had a couple other people
that were in their six foots they sat behind him
0:35:05.200,0:35:09.720
and they sat in our seating buck and they're just
like I can't believe we fit like that doesn't make
0:35:09.720,0:35:14.720
any sense how is that possible yeah one of ways we
communicated I mean it's a good question that you
0:35:14.720,0:35:21.080
asked is we built actual Scale Models you know
of toy toy cars so that you could actually see
0:35:21.080,0:35:26.200
these are 124th models and and we have a little
Mini Cooper we have our vehicle you know they're
0:35:26.200,0:35:31.640
the exact same length and we've got a a Ford and
a Tesla and so just just you know people like to
0:35:31.640,0:35:36.840
have something to touch it's so because it's
such a hard thing to communicate so um my last
0:35:36.840,0:35:43.920
question for you is um where do you see U the EVR
Market where it's headed and what opportunities
0:35:43.920,0:35:48.960
and challenges um do you see for T yeah for I'm
gonna use Forest words here so I'm gonna I'll
0:35:48.960,0:35:55.280
see how I how well I do it um we see in 10 years
that any vehicle you see with a long Hood a long
0:35:55.280,0:36:01.720
nose will look dated like obsolete what what use
is that to them if you have storage elsewhere in
0:36:01.720,0:36:07.680
the vehicle like what use is a long frunk that's
not actually serving any need it's getting in the
0:36:07.680,0:36:12.280
way of you actually navigating the roadways like
we think that that's the vision like every single
0:36:12.280,0:36:16.960
F-150 you see right now in this in this downtown
San Francisco and downtown LA and downtown New
0:36:16.960,0:36:23.400
York will be a t that's what we want to see happen
because if you look at like what we didn't say yet
0:36:23.400,0:36:31.200
which I really should have said in the beginning
was like duty trucks constitute such a major part
0:36:31.200,0:36:37.200
of carbon emissions in the US if you look at all
the global all the carbon emissions across all
0:36:37.200,0:36:42.440
economic sectors that means Retail transportation
and Industry agriculture whatever you look at you
0:36:42.440,0:36:50.120
aggregate everything 10 and a half percent
of that is just light duty trucks in the US
0:36:50.120,0:36:55.360
it's a wild amount of of carbon emissions that
light duty trucks produce I mean we're talking
0:36:55.360,0:37:02.360
hundreds of megatons of of carbon Emissions on
light duty trucks and if we can have a vehicle
0:37:02.360,0:37:10.080
that has like is is the most efficient version
of a of the work of a light duty truck like we
0:37:10.080,0:37:15.360
can make the biggest dent in climate change we can
see an eight to n% reduction in carbon emissions
0:37:15.360,0:37:20.680
across the US and that's really like if you could
snap your fingers and make like one decision just
0:37:20.680,0:37:24.360
move all light duty trucks to Telos like how many
other things in the world exist that you can do
0:37:24.360,0:37:29.120
something like that and now you've got a nearly
double digit reduction in carbon emissions like
0:37:29.120,0:37:34.240
that's the that's the change we want to see but
where do you see the challenge well there's you
0:37:34.240,0:37:40.600
know it's always a challenge to bring a vehicle to
Market that's certainly a challenge um yeah we're
0:37:40.600,0:37:45.160
autoo like we're an automotive company like let's
not kid ourselves it's it's not like we think we
0:37:45.160,0:37:49.120
can do this like we we can bring a vehicle to
Market in the most Capital efficient way that's
0:37:49.120,0:37:52.760
ever been done before because of the innovations
that have happened over the last 20 years and what
0:37:52.760,0:37:56.880
we've learned from being in Detroit and Silicon
Valley like we think that that's possible but
0:37:56.880,0:38:02.480
let's not get ourselves it's still a vehicle
company it still requires capital and it still
0:38:02.480,0:38:06.080
is going to need people to get excited about
it and you to prove that you've got a market
0:38:06.080,0:38:10.240
and prove that people want this and that you can
deliver so we've got all that ahead of us right
0:38:10.240,0:38:17.840
now and that is still like like any company
it's hard but we're a vehicle company yeah I
0:38:17.840,0:38:21.200
think another another challenge is just kind of
on the marketing which you were kind of getting
0:38:21.200,0:38:27.320
to in that you know by cutting off the nose when
you're driving around it actually feels so much
0:38:27.320,0:38:33.320
more stress free like you you feel more free you
can see in front of you when you come up to like
0:38:33.320,0:38:37.760
you're pulling into a street you don't have to do
that thing where you're like leaning your head Way
0:38:37.760,0:38:42.200
Forward and you still have four feet of your car
in front of you that if you you scooch it out and
0:38:42.200,0:38:46.800
you can't see the cars coming they're going to run
into you right like it's it's hard to communicate
0:38:46.800,0:38:53.640
the freedom you get when that is gone and so you
know it's going to take you know people it doesn't
0:38:53.640,0:38:58.560
scale well to just have everyone have to drive
something to like feel that so like communicating
0:38:58.560,0:39:04.840
um the beauty and and freedom of having a vehicle
that isn't in your way all the time um I think is
0:39:04.840,0:39:10.720
something that is a is a challenge we have on um
on the marketing side yeah I also think that you
0:39:10.720,0:39:15.440
know we're doing things in safety that are super
like Innovative and we're using some of the best
0:39:15.440,0:39:19.640
in the automotive technology that's been developed
in the automotive industry for the last 10 years
0:39:19.640,0:39:23.040
um there is still some conceived notion that
we have very small hood of our vehicle you see
0:39:23.040,0:39:27.520
it it's like about about 18 inches of mechanical
crumple in our vehicle so it's still relatively
0:39:27.520,0:39:33.160
small and the things we do to actually make that
an extremely safe vehicle not only for occupants
0:39:33.160,0:39:37.800
but also for pedestrians like pedestrian deaths
are an all-time high on us roadways over 9,000
0:39:37.800,0:39:43.280
pedestrians died uh this will have died this year
from from being hit by Vehicles three times more
0:39:43.280,0:39:47.480
of them are hit by trucks than any other vehicle
it's it's wild like what we've done we want to
0:39:47.480,0:39:52.400
make sure that our it's very well communicated
that like if somebody has a family and they're
0:39:52.400,0:39:55.960
worried about their children's safety and they're
when they're when they're driving this vehicle
0:39:55.960,0:40:00.840
they have kids in the back they want to make sure
they're safe that we are out the gates showing how
0:40:00.840,0:40:04.640
safe our vehicle is and convincing people that
even though we don't have this long hood that
0:40:04.640,0:40:09.400
long Hood's actually not saving your children it's
the other things that happen in that in that crash
0:40:09.400,0:40:15.720
the science of the crash that really saved your
children interesting yeah I didn't know that um
0:40:15.720,0:40:21.960
have to say that these challenges are common
within the clean tech ech space um a lot of
0:40:21.960,0:40:27.240
people that we've talked to within this podcast
are telling me that communicating Innovation is
0:40:27.240,0:40:36.160
not uh it's not a small issue you know but hey
I guess this podcast is there to to help as well
0:40:36.160,0:40:41.520
so um thank you for this conversation if you
have something more to add now is the time and
0:40:41.520,0:40:48.920
I would like to to tell us which channels can our
listeners or viewers visit to support you to get
0:40:48.920,0:40:56.320
informed about t to get in touch with you if they
want you know to buy yeah it's all on t trucks.com
0:40:57.160,0:41:03.040
T trucks and we've got a Discord Channel that's
a great way to engage as as well yeah we hear
0:41:03.040,0:41:08.880
from you we have almost a thousand active users on
Discord right now um and any feedback you give us
0:41:08.880,0:41:13.800
on Discord it actually we have a way of actually
tagging it and tracking it and it can go into
0:41:13.800,0:41:18.040
our engineering channels so if you want to see
something on our interior which hasn't been fully
0:41:18.040,0:41:21.640
flushed out yet so if you have feedback on that
you say hey I really need I really need this type
0:41:21.640,0:41:27.080
of screen I really need this type of pass through
for the leg like all that stuff actually goes into
0:41:27.080,0:41:31.080
our engineering channels and becomes part of our
product road map so like we can actually pull from
0:41:31.080,0:41:35.280
that when we want people's feedback around what
to do next in our vehicle platform which is really
0:41:35.280,0:41:38.960
cool because we have like a circular way of like
we then share can share pictures like is this what
0:41:38.960,0:41:43.480
you're talking about okay cool let's do that um
so I think that's a really cool way to to interact
0:41:43.480,0:41:49.600
with us and you actually get a chance to influence
the direction we go with our company um we do have
0:41:49.600,0:41:54.560
an Instagram as well we haven't posted a ton yet
there because we're still kind of trickling out
0:41:54.560,0:41:59.040
little hints and we want to keep a lot of those
that feedback on Discord because it's where we
0:41:59.040,0:42:03.920
really could interact with our potential user
base um and yeah all of that is available on Tel
0:42:03.920,0:42:08.880
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